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Die klep moet ervoor zorgen dat je bij een koude motor eventjes meer lucht krijgt. Maar bij een warme motor blijft die gewoon dicht.
Hij gaat overigens niet helemaal open, wel helemaal dicht.





















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Bij slecht stationair draaien denk ik toch echt als eerste aan valse lucht. Die extra-lucht klep heeft daar geen enkele invloed op, die verhoogt enkel het toerental bij koude motor.






















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hm, ik denk bij nader inzien inderdaad dat fluidphreak hier een punt heeft… mijn draait nu bij koude start tussen de 400 en 1000 toeren, op en neer, en net niet stilvallen, als je gas bijgeeft sputtert blok eerst wat, en dan luistert ie naar je pedaal. laat je pedaal bruusk los, en dan valt ie echt stil. Bij warme motor draait ie dan ruim 1100 toeren, wat dan eigenlijk teveel is…












































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Ik denk Co afstellen.
Dat deed de mijne ook toen de LMM niet goed afgesteld stond.














































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fluidphreak schreef:Bij slecht stationair draaien denk ik toch echt als eerste aan valse lucht. Die extra-lucht klep heeft daar geen enkele invloed op, die verhoogt enkel het toerental bij koude motor.
Eens. Eerst op valse lucht controleren, dan pas verder zoeken.
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Doneer, zo blijven we draaien!
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Mee eens. Soms hoor je gewoon dat er ergens valse lucht wordt aangezogen. Door wat te duwen en trekken aan de luchtslangen kunt je een evt lek wel opsporen.
Overigens vind ik dat sommige luchtaansluitingen, bijv deze van de carterontluchting wel heel erg losjes zijn gemonteerd, geen slangklem oid.
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Inderdaad, er is ook een dikke slang die over het kleppendeksel loopt die gewoon losjes op een koppelstuk geschoven zit. Verbaast mij ook altijd.






















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carterventilatieslang is bij mij vernieuwd, iets kleinere diameter, dus spant wat meer, en die grote harmonicaslang is verleden jaar (bij een luchtlek…) vervangen, heb ook al aan die kleinere slangen zitten duwen en rekken, maar dat verandert niets (zie ook mijn eerdere posts) Ik heb wel gemerkt dat als ik het kleine slangtetje, dat van achter het blok,over midden van het blok naar de inlaatbuis loopt, lostrek, hij dan wel een hoger stationair toerental aanhoudt, maar lek is het ook niet… hij, sorryyy, ZIJ heeft het ook alleen maar de eerste minuten van de koude start, daarna draaite ze mooi stationair. dat was wel anders toen die harmonicaslang gescheurd was,... viel zelfs met warme motor bijna stil op stationair






















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maartens schreef:Door wat te duwen en trekken aan de luchtslangen kunt je een evt lek wel opsporen.
De snelste en makkelijkste manier om te ontdekken of er ergens valse lucht wordt aangezogen, is om met een spuitbus remmenreiniger (of iets dergelijks) over en langs de slangen te spuiten. Doet de motor dan ineens whoeoeoeiieieie!!! dan zuigt hij de remmenreiniger aan en dan weet je dat daar het lek zit.
Verder vermoed ik dat het meer te maken heeft met de luchtmassameter of de afstelling daarvan, maar als het écht alleen tijdens koude start is en dan alleen een paar minuutjes, zou ik me er niet al te druk over maken en de LMM ongemoeid laten.
Edit: ik heb de eerste post nog eens gelezen en wat ook nog zou kunnen: achterop de cilinderkop zit een sensor die de computer doorgeeft dat het koelwater koud is en dat er extra benzine moet komen. Ik meen dat er een blauw stekkertje opzit. Als die sensor niet goed werkt, verloopt de koude start ook niet goed. Of wellicht zit de stekker niet goed?
Als er ergens valse lucht aangezogen zou worden, zou de motor ook ‘halen’ als ze warm is immers?
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Toch wel leuk: remmenreiniger is bedoeld om beter te remmen, maar je motor gaat er harder van lopen!
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La Léo schreef:
Verder vermoed ik dat het meer te maken heeft met de luchtmassameter of de afstelling daarvan, maar als het écht alleen tijdens koude start is en dan alleen een paar minuutjes, zou ik me er niet al te druk over maken en de LMM ongemoeid laten.
Edit: ik heb de eerste post nog eens gelezen en wat ook nog zou kunnen: achterop de cilinderkop zit een sensor die de computer doorgeeft dat het koelwater koud is en dat er extra benzine moet komen. Ik meen dat er een blauw stekkertje opzit. Als die sensor niet goed werkt, verloopt de koude start ook niet goed. Of wellicht zit de stekker niet goed?
Als er ergens valse lucht aangezogen zou worden, zou de motor ook ‘halen’ als ze warm is immers?
hey Léo,
indeed, moest het iets met de luchtslangen zijn (zoals vorig jaar) dan heb je ook bij warme motor problemen met stationair, nu niet.
ik check die stekker eens, merci voor de tip!






















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ik heb daar een stekker gevonden (tsja, waar vind je er eigenlijk geen in een CX ...) eens netjes gekuist, vaseline erop, en we zien wel. heb ze nog niet gestart omdat ik zaterdag ook de thermostaat wil vervangen (was hier om de hoek trouwens ook 18€, Calorstat/Vernet). bepaalde tips (do’s/dont’s) ? (voor ik domme dingen doe, want zondag moet ze een ritje rijden…)
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Vroeg in de ochtend beginnen als je persé op zondag weer wilt rijden, want er breekt gegarandeerd één (of meerdere) van de M6 boutjes af.
Vooraf goed inspuiten dus met kruipolie en voorzichtig draaien.
Leen best van iemand op voorhand een haakse boormachine om het eventueel gegarandeerd afgebroken boutje(s) te kunnen uitboren zonder meteen het hele waterpomphuis te hoeven demonteren. En leg een tap klaar om de draad te zuiveren of opnieuw te tappen.
Heb je al wel een pakking voor het thermostaathuis. Zo’n ronde met 3 gaatjes?
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Durf het hier bijna niet te zeggen: ik kon mijn thermostaat er gewoon zo uit schroeven. Wel heel voorzichtig gedraaid - zodat ik alsnog aan de gang zou kunnen met kruipolie, maar dat was dus niet nodig. Wie weet heb jij ook geluk.
Voor de zekerheid heb ik de boel met een heel klein beetje kopervet op de boutjes vastgezet voor als dat ooit nog een keertje moet.






















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mooi dat dat gelukt is.
en kopervet erop is een goeie !
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