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Stefan Willems schreef:Je zei dat de auto op normale rijhoogste stond en toch een harde achtervering had. Je hoogteregelaar bleek vast te zitten.
Nu gewoon voor mijn begrip : waarom was de vering achteraan hard? Die is alleen keihard als a. er geen stikstof meer in de bollen zit of b. wanneer de druk op de LHM maximaal is, zodat het mebraan in de bollen als het ware helmaal ingdrukt wordt, bij de hoogste stand dus.Als de hoogteregelaar defect is, kan er dus geen LHM meer in en uit de veercilinders vloeien, en gezien de wagen op normale rijhoogte stond, is de druk op de LHM ook “normal” en zou je dus toch normale vering moeten hebben gezien de veerbollen toch goed zijn.
Iemand?
Dat is ook mijn idee.
Als de wagen op normale rijhoogte staat en dan bedoel ik niet alleen de stand op de selecteur maar ook effectief de wagenhoogte zelf op normale rijhoogte, dan moet je vering hebben.
Is dat niet het geval dan is het membraam van minstens 1 bol doorgeslagen.
Citroën CX er is geen alternatief.
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Vastgerot? Bronzen busje?
Naar mijn idee heb je het dan over het commandostangetje van de hoogteregelaar en niet de regelaar zelf.
Die kan niet vastrotten, alleen maar door interne vervuiling vast staan.
Maar het stangetje hoort wel te kunnen draaien in dat bronzen busjes en inderdaad, dat punt moet je goed gangbaar houden.
Citroën en stock: DS23 Break Confort 1973, DS23IE Pallas bvm 1974, CX25TGD Turbo 2 ambulance 1990
Autres véhicules: 2x Moto Guzzi Le Mans II 1980, Peugeot 205 Accent 1.1 1993
Possédé et conduit: Honda CB500F 1974, 2CV6 1972, Renault 4F6 1977, CX2400 Super Break 1979, GSA1300 Service Tolée 1983, BX14RE 1983, BX19TRD Turbo Break 1989, XM2.1TD Break Ambiance 1994, AX1.4TGS 1993, AX1.1TGE 1995, CX25TRD Turbo 1 berline 1986


























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Dat zal het dan inderdaad zijn, niet van binnen maar de bediening er van. Maar blijkbaar zat het toch wel heeeeel erg goed vastgeroest intussen.
En voor de anderen, de achtervering gaf op min of meer normale rijhoogte bijna geen sjoege meer, alsof de auto in de één na hoogste stand stond. En soms nog wat harder (letterlijk de dashboardklepjes door de auto zien vliegen na een verkeersdrempel). De afgelopen tijd moest ik na het starten altijd wat spelen met de hoogte-bediening om de achterkant uit de ruststand te krijgen. En eigenlijk eindigde de achterkant dan ook altijd net wat hoog of net wat laag. La Leo schrijft in La CX en Route ergens dat problemen met de bediening van de hoogteregelaars vage klachten kunnen opleveren. Bij deze dus
dat zal zo zijn, maar het verklaart niet het harde veren.
tenzij je in de hoogste of laagste stand rijdt (of in de buurt daarvan)
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Geloof mij, ook op min of meer de normale rijhoogte kan er iets heel vervelends ontstaan.






















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erikkuiper schreef:dat zal zo zijn, maar het verklaart niet het harde veren.
tenzij je in de hoogste of laagste stand rijdt (of in de buurt daarvan)
Jawel hoor. Laatst nog een wagen hier gehad die op alle hobbels ontzettend doorklapte. Was ook dat busje weggevreten. Is overigens van nylon, dus vervangen door brons is een verbetering.
Welke garage is dat, met Citroëns én Amerikanen? Grappige combi!
Maar goed, wanneer die stangen of de hoogteregelaar zelf niet goed kunnen reageren op de bewegingen van de wagen kan de druk te hoog oplopen en voelt het alsof je in de hoogste stand rijdt ofwel de boel slaat te ver door. Dus prima verklaarbaar.
Daarom hameren wij hier ook altijd op het (vooral na tectyleren waarbij men doorgaans alles onderkliedert) altijd goed schoonmaken van die stangetjes, want ook als die niet soepel door de geleidertjes kunnen schuiven kun je on-CX-achtig rijgedrag krijgen.
Is onderdeel van een Grote Beurt, zoals laatst in LCeR stond, dus goed onthouden!
Ook weleens iemand gehad hier wiens vrouw nog weigerde mee te gaan met hem in de CX omdat ze altijd zeeziek werd door het veergedrag. Kwam na onderzoek door een volledig met troep verstopte (en dus nooit ontluchte of doorgespoelde) hoofdremcilinder.
Ding vervangen door een zuivere (ontluchten ging ook niet meer want nippel zat vastgerot) en de CX veerde weer als vanouds en de vrouw wilde weer graag mee. Ze zijn zelfs samen naar het evenement in Le Tréport gegaan daarna!
Veergedrag en ‘hardheid is méér dan uitsluitend de druk in de bollen.
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Goed onthouden he? Als ik nou ook nog eens zelf wat vaker onder die auto kruip zodat ik dit soort dingen voor kan blijven ... Het veergedrag was inderdaad wisselend de afgelopen tijd, meestal keihard, maar soms ook bizar zacht. Auto’s met karakter, juist bij achterstallig onderhoud


























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Al sinds ik deze CX heb, werkt de bediening van de klep voor de recirculatie van de ventilatie niet. Eigenlijk nooit last van gehad (alhoewel, met vier man in de auto bij 30 graden had de airco vast beter gewerkt). Een tijdje terug heeft de airco het begeven (een lek in het systeem, waarschijnlijk de warmtewisselaar in het interieur), en nu mis ik die klep toch wel. Als de auto een nacht buiten heeft gestaan beslaan de ramen op het moment dat de ventilatie open gaat. Nou zit ik te bladeren in mijn Haynes en mijn Autovraagbaak, maar daar is die klep natuurlijk niet te vinden. Ik heb een pdf van een werkplaatshandboek, maar daar wordt ik ook niet veel wijzer van. Is die klep zonder het systeem uit te bouwen bereikbaar? Zodat ik eens kan proberen of het ding met wat smeerspray en/of contactspray weer tot leven te wekken is? Vanuit het interieur herken ik het ding niet (de kleppen voor temepratuurregeling en voorruitontwaseming zie ik daar wel - en die bewegen ook netjes). En via de tunnel onder de motorkap voel ik ook nergens een klep zitten. Voor zover ik daar met de hand in kan komen dan. Iemand ervaring?












































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De lucht moet langs de blower dus de interne lucht moet naar buiten en weer naar binnen. Bij de Sm zit het gat bij de voeten van de bijrijder. mischien CX ook?
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Main Entry: bo·gart
Pronunciation: ‘bO-“gärt
Function: verb
1 : BULLY, INTIMIDATE.
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break23m schreef:.....waarschijnlijk de warmtewisselaar in het interieur),....
Er zijn aircobedrijven waar ze met een sonde en waterstofgas de positie van het lek precies kunnen vinden.
Bendex in Huizen http://www.bendex.nl is zo’n bedrijf, maar in elke regio zijn ze te vinden.
Dit soort bedrijven bouwt airco’s in bedrijfswagens in en in de horeca.
Een diagnose kost doorgaans zo weinig (tientjes) dat het zeer de moeite loont.
Achterstallig onderhoud brengt elke Citroen op de sloop
vaak is de stekker losgetrokken omdat de tandjes overslaan.
te vinden tussen de luchtinlaat en het exp vaatje
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Ik ga kijken naar stekkertjes bij het expansievaatje, dank voor de tip. Met een beetje geluk zit daar corrosie en is dit de oorzaak .
En voor wat betreft de airco: het onderzoek is inderdaad meestal niet duur. De airco toen die het niet meer deed no een keer laten vullen - tegen het advies van het aircobedrijf in omdat het pomplager nogal wat lawaai maakte - en toen hoorde ik in het interieur iets sissen. Dat was voordat de airco het begaf ook al een paar ritten zo. Dus ik verdenk een slang of radiateurtje dat alleen vanuit het interieur bereikbaar is. En da’s een beetje een gedoe bij een CX. Voorlopig maar even zonder dus.












































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Er zitten geen airco slangen in het interieur. Het enige wat er net-aan in het interieur zit is de verdamper, de aansluitingen zitten onder het reservewiel.
De verdamper kan lek zijn, maar dat gebeurt niet zo vaak.
Dat gesis en geborrel ken ik wel, dat is vaak als een airco systeem leeg begint te raken.
Mijn gok als er iets lek is, of een koppeling die niet goed meer is. Of eigenlijk de grootste kans is de condensor bij de radiator. Als het filter/droger heel oud is kan die ook lek zijn, maar die kan je gemakkelijk zien zitten.
Het systeem laten afpersen geeft direct resultaat of er een noemswaardig lek is.


























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Dank voor het meedenken Arjan. Ik heb het ding een keer laten afpersen en toen weer vullen. Gaf maar voor een paar dagen soelaas. Dus is een uitgebreidere controle nodig. Maar nu even niet, heb ik besloten.


























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Oh ja, de vraag was natuurlijk: weet iemand hoe ik bij de klep en het motortje kan komen?