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Ik heb een uniek schaalmodel van een prototype uit 1967. Onderop zijn wat stroomlijn waardes geschreven. Ik ben benieuwd of er iemand is die daar alles van af weet en er iets over kan vertellen. Wat betekende die waardes bij het ontwerp en hoe verhouden ze zich met de huidigs gestroomlijnde modellen.
Nog mooier zou zijn als we een echte windtunnelpoef zouden kunnen doen
Ben benieuwd
Citroen U23.35 1964, Citroen Ami 6 Break 1965, Citroen Acadyana 1984, Citroen 2Cv6 Club 1987,Citroen AX 1,4 4x41996, Citroen C8 V6 Exclusive 2003, Citroen Mehari 1978, Citroen 2CV 1959, Citroen Visa GTi 115
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Ik heb begin jaren 80 wel het vak “stromingsleer” op de HTS gevolgd en de betreffende boeken en dictaten heb ik nog, dus mogelijk kan ik je enigszins op weg helpen.
Voor een windtunnel in NL moet je bij deze club zijn.
http://www.nlr.nl/werken-op-het-nlr/organisatie/dnw—duits-nederlandse-windtunnels.html
Citroën en stock: DS23 Break Confort 1973, DS23IE Pallas bvm 1974, CX25TGD Turbo 2 ambulance 1990
Autres véhicules: 2x Moto Guzzi Le Mans II 1980, Peugeot 205 Accent 1.1 1993
Possédé et conduit: Honda CB500F 1974, 2CV6 1972, Renault 4F6 1977, CX2400 Super Break 1979, GSA1300 Service Tolée 1983, BX14RE 1983, BX19TRD Turbo Break 1989, XM2.1TD Break Ambiance 1994, AX1.4TGS 1993, AX1.1TGE 1995, CX25TRD Turbo 1 berline 1986
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Nou Rene, leef je uit met de schoolboeken, ben benieuwd
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Tja, de formule is: F=1/2.p v^2.A.C
F is weerstand, p is dichtheid gas of vloeistof, v^2 is de snelheid in m/s in het kwadraat, A is frontaal oppervlak en C is de beroemde stroomlijnfactor.
Uit mijn hoofd had de cx een C van 0,33 en de sm van 0,28.
Het moge duidelijk zijn dat de C-waarde van een camper beduidend hoger ligt.
ex 2cv 15pk, 11BL 1938, dspecial 1973, ds pallas 23 IE bvh 1973, gs, austin princess 2300, cx 2400 break, bx 19 d, cx 2500 trd, xm 2.0 16v, mgb, mgc, Suzuki vitara, ds 21 ie pallas 1971, saxo 1.1i, sm 2.7 ie, xantia 2.0 16v, C5 3.0V6 exclusive, C4 1.6HDI, C4 1.6 16v.
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Ja, die formule ken ik natuurlijk ook.
Maar nu nog even in de eenheden zoals het op de foto staat.
A is oppervlakte, in het frans is dat Surface, vandaar de S.
av staat uiteraard voor avant en ar voor arriere.
Daarnaast gebruiken wij Hollanders de term cw en hier staat Cz.
Zie ook https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luchtweerstand
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En in het Frans.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_de_traînée
Ik lees van de foto af:
. C x S 5,92
. Cz Sav 6,72
. Cz Sar 1,28
S, het frontale oppervlak, is altijd gelijk, of je nu van voren of van achteren naar een auto kijkt.
Het verschil moet dus zitten in Cz in de avant-situatie en Cz in de arriere-situatie.
Ben er ook nog niet achter wat dan het verschil is tussen C en Cz.
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Arrière heeft altijd betrekking op ruimte. Achter/na in de tijd zou après zijn. Het moet dus toch op voor- en achterkant betrekking hebben.
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Voldoende “middelbare school”-Frans gehad om avant en arriere zo te vertalen.
Het gaat dus om de voor- en achterzijde van de auto.
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Ik had jouw bericht van 22:29 verkeerd begrepen. Sorry .
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Ik heb een e-mail verstuurd naar de TU in Delft. Ik hoop dat IR Timmer mij alles kan vertellen over de waardes onderop de auto. Heb aangeboden als hij er niets mee kan, ik wel met het model langs wil komen om in de windtunnel te plaatsen.
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Tja, volgens mij is de Sar alleen maar interessant als je achteruitrijdt!
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RensKorevaar schreef:Sorry
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Excuses acceptées
Maar weer on topic, de Engelstaligen gebruiken weer de term Cd i.p.v. Cw of Cx.
Hopelijk kan ir. Timmer helderheid in de duisternis brengen.
Citroën en stock: DS23 Break Confort 1973, DS23IE Pallas bvm 1974, CX25TGD Turbo 2 ambulance 1990
Autres véhicules: 2x Moto Guzzi Le Mans II 1980, Peugeot 205 Accent 1.1 1993
Possédé et conduit: Honda CB500F 1974, 2CV6 1972, Renault 4F6 1977, CX2400 Super Break 1979, GSA1300 Service Tolée 1983, BX14RE 1983, BX19TRD Turbo Break 1989, XM2.1TD Break Ambiance 1994, AX1.4TGS 1993, AX1.1TGE 1995, CX25TRD Turbo 1 berline 1986
Is er inmiddels wat meer duidelijkheid? Waarschijnlijk wordt met de Cz waarden de lift (ter plaatse van de vooras en achteras) bedoeld.
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De formules zijn hetzelfde opgebouwd, maar de liftcoëfficient wordt in NL met Cl aangegeven, zie ook https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liftkracht
Nu zou dat in het Frans ook zo maar Cz kunnen zijn.
Rens, kom er eens in.
Citroën en stock: DS23 Break Confort 1973, DS23IE Pallas bvm 1974, CX25TGD Turbo 2 ambulance 1990
Autres véhicules: 2x Moto Guzzi Le Mans II 1980, Peugeot 205 Accent 1.1 1993
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Na wat zoeken, blijkt Cz in het Frans inderdaad voor de liftcoëfficiënt te staan: http://www.mecaflux.com/aerodynamique.htm
Doneer, zo blijven we draaien!
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Kijk, zo alles bij elkaar begint dit toch wel al een beetje op de oplossing van Johans mysterie te lijken.
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