Dag allen,
2200D loopt alweer een poosje, probleemloos, in NL.
Nu kennelijk last van het natte weer in NL want start niet omdat de mechanische stop op de dieselpomp niet vrij lijkt te komen als je contact aanzet. Wordt met een draad aangestuurd door zwarte ‘unit’ rechts onder de voorruit….
= Iemand een idee hoe dit geschakeld wordt?
- electrisch schema?
alvast dank!
groet,
Erik





















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Die afsluiter kan kapot zijn. Je kan dat controleren door er direct spanning op te zetten om te zien of de Cx dan wel starten wil. Zo ka dan ligt het aan bedrading, contactslot en dat soort zaken. Zo niet dan aan de afsluiter. Je zou ook eerst kunnen meten of je met contact aan 12 volt op draadje meet….
Lijkt op het probleem wat ik had/heb met de diesel in mijn camper, dat is een vergelijkbare motor. Daar werd het waarschijnlijk veroorzaakt door een slechte aarding van een contactgestuurd relais waar de afsluiter achter zat. Ik heb er een extra schakelaar ingeklust die de afsluiter bedient. Kreeg de oorzaak eerst niet gevonden…
Mijn omschrijving was niet adequaat.
De mechanische stop is in de stoppositie vastgetrokken dmv een staaldraad die wordt ‘vastgehouden’ door een grote zwarte cylindrische doos die wordt gevoed door een driedradige blokstekker die komt vanonder het reservewiel.
Volgens afbeelding in de vraagbaak zou de hefboom op de pomp waar de stop mee bediend wordt bij contact’aan’ een 45graden verder moeten staan en door de draad worden vrijgegeven maar die beweegt dus niet.
De stopbediening is elektrisch niet te vinden in de vraagbaak.
Ga proberen fotootje toe te voegen
groet,
Erik





















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ah, ok. Dat is inderdaad anders….














































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Ik denk dat ik dat schema hier voor mij heb. Stuur mij even een PB met jouw e-mail adres dan mail ik je een paar pics.
Ik ben niet arrogant. Ik ben de beste.
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Het systeem op Erik z’n cx is het meest simpele wat er is. In die tijd was er zelfs maar één Mercedes waarbij je het motortje met de contactsleutel kon afzetten en dat was de 240D 3.0, de rest van de auto’s ging bijna altijd nog met een trekknop. De stopinrichting van de eerste cx is niets anders dan een kleine elektromotor die aan de “stopkabel” trekt. Een jaar of twee later kwamen er pompen met een elektroklepje wat voor het afzetten zorgde.
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Met dank aan waterman nu schema etc.
Is inderdaad simpel van opzet.
Nu nog uitvinden waar dat relais zit dat het motortje aanstuurt en ff doormeten of die motor wel stroom krijgt.
Morgen.
Wordt vervolgd.
groet,
Erik
heel leuk.
ik heb nooit geweten dat een cx dit zo gehad heeft.
ik kom dit systeem vaak op scheepsdiesels tegen.
dat is het meestal zo dat de solonoid bekrachtigd wordt om te stoppen.
als dat kapot is kun je niet meer stoppen, maar wel starten.
bij deze cx dus andersom?
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Nee Erik, volgens mij werkt het net zoals op die scheepsmotor. Als je de motor uit wil zetten wordt de solenoïde bekrachtigd en trekt hij middels een kabel de stophendel op de brandstofpomp aan. Dan slaat de motor af.
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dat betekent dus dat de binnenkabel te zwaar loopt of dat er een veer mist/stuk is.
kun je de hevel met de hand terugdrukken? (desnoods met kabeltje los)
en start hij dan wel?
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Ja, Erik, dat zou ik inderdaad ook willen weten voor ik deze procedure zelf ga uitproberen.
= kabel los, hefboom weg van stoppositie en kijken of tie start.
en dan vervolgens zien of de stoppositie ook handmatig te bedienen is en ze dan ook inderdaad braaf weer stopt?
Er zit nog ruim een halve tank diesel in dus als ze niet meer uit wil dan gaat het effe duren….....
Waterman, wat denkt u hiervan?
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Gewoon proberen wat Erik zegt.
Kan niks mee kapot gaan .
Wel de kabel losnemen.
VgF
De boer is troef
Après cette énième cx
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126190970@N08/
http://www.citroen-forum.nl/forums/viewthread/223616/
Restauratie Prestige laagdaks, er is weer vooruitgang.














































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Idd, kabel d’r ff af en de hevel uit de stoppositie dan moet ie weer lopen.
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OK,
Heren alvast bedankt.
Ga ik uitproberen. Verslag volgt.
Groet,
Erik