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- CX 2200 Pallas
- GS/GSA GS X2
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Ik krijg de airco in mijn serie 1 GTi niet aan de praat, en da’s best wel zonde met dit weer…
Het systeem is pas bijgevuld. Na het bijvullen bij de aircoboer begon de airco wel meteen te koelen maar na een paar minuten gebeurde er iets vreemds. Er werd warme lucht door de ventilatieroosters de auto in geblazen. Daarna de motor gestopt, opnieuw gestart en toen deed de airco niets meer.
Als ik de motor laat draaien en ik zet de airco aan met het draaiknopje op de middenconsole, dan gebeurt er niets. Ik heb gemeten dat er geen 12V op de koppeling van de aircopomp wordt gezet. Als ik daar zelf met een pennetje 12V op zet vanaf de accu, dan slaat de koppeling van de pomp aan en gaat de airco werken. Er wordt dan koude (gekoelde) lucht de auto in geblazen. Het duurt alleen niet lang, na een minuutje of zo stopt hij er weer mee, en daarna doet hij niets meer. De airco doet het dus wel, maar het is van korte duur.
Wat ook niet werkt is het verhoogde stationair toerental dat zou moeten inschakelen als de airco aan staat. Hij deed dat wel altijd, ook vóór het bijvullen, toen de airco nog leeg was.
Daarom denk ik aan een elektrisch probleem. Om te beginnen, alle zekeringen zijn goed.
Zit er een relais in het circuit? Zo ja, zit dat bij de relais onder de koplamp of bij de accu?
Ik heb ook het draaischakelaartje losgehaald uit de middenconsole. hier zitten een heleboel draden aan over verschillende connectoren en er zit een soort geïsoleerd buisje aan dat waarschijnlijk naar de verdamper gaat. Het is dus een soort thermocontact en de draaiknop is een temperatuurregeling. Heb ik nooit iets van gemerkt, want ik draaide hem altijd op de hoogste stand.
Kan dit schakelapparaat met het draaiknopje kapot zijn? Ja dat kan natuurlijk, maar komt dat voor?
Zitten er zekeringen in deze schakelaar? Ik vraag dat omdat op de zijkant staat: 2A, 250V en 6A, 250V. Lijkt op zekeringwaarden. Als er zekeringen in zitten, kan je het ding dan open peuteren?
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- CX 25 GTi Turbo 2
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Als die niet verhoogd stationair gaat lopen dan lijkt me het iets aan het begin van het circuit.
Oftewel iets dat normaal zowel de pomp als het stationair toerental inschakelt.
Heb je het elektrische schema van jouw auto met airco? Dan kan je in elk geval aardig volgen wat er allemaal tussen zit. Er wordt ook aangegeven waar het ongeveer in de auto hoort te zitten.

























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- C1 1.0 Collection
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Schakelen je ventilatoren in als je de airco inschakelt? Zo niet, dan ligt daar mogelijk het probleem. Als de ventilatoren niet inschakelen schakelt de airco zichzelf uit. Tenminste, bij de meeste auto’s met airco werkt het zo.












































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Dan zou die wel het verhoogde stationair loop moeten aansturen lijkt me.
Maar idd wel goed punt om te kijken wat de fan wel en niet.
























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Goed punt Hilko! De ventilatoren schakelen niet in, dat viel mij ook op maar was ik vergeten erbij te zetten.
Het zou de oorzaak van het probleem kunnen zijn, maar ook onderdeel van het probleem.
Worden de ventilatoren met een relais aangestuurd zoals bij de XM met de Bitron?
@Arjan, In de Haynes staan wel de schema’s van de CX25. In de legenda staan ook de airco-onderdelen genoemd. Maar in het schema zijn ze niet te vinden!

























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Arjan Verkade schreef:Dan zou die wel het verhoogde stationair loop moeten aansturen lijkt me.
Maar idd wel goed punt om te kijken wat de fan wel en niet.
Volgens mij doet ie dat gecombineerd, maar dat weet ik dus niet zeker.
Ik kan me indenken dat het signaal van de fan ook doorgaat naar de ecu.












































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ECU?
Er wordt een klepje open gezet voor extra lucht in het inlaattraject

























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Whatever, maar dat dus.
Ik heb een diesel, weet je
























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- CX 2200 Pallas
- GS/GSA GS X2
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De elektrische airco-onderdelen die door de Haynes worden genoemd, zijn:
Refrigeration relay
Relay for electric cooling fans (low speed)
Electrovalve for fast idle
Pressure switch
Compressor
Control thermostat
Helaas kan ik ze in het schema niet vinden zodat ik kan begrijpen hoe e.e.a. geschakeld is.
Wat ik denk is dat het ‘refigeration relay’ de compressor aanstuurt.
Het ‘relay for electric cooling fans’ spreekt voor zichzelf
De ‘electrovalve for fast idle’ zorgt voor het verhoogde toerental.
Omdat het alledrie niet werkt, denk ik dat het ergens in de centrale aansturing zit.
Dat zou kunnen komen door de ‘pressure switch’ (zou dat het geïsoleerde buisje naar de control thermostat zijn?)
Of het zit in de ‘control thermostat’ (dat is het schakelapparaat met de draaiknop).
Meer elektrische onderdelen zijn er niet!




























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Misschien vind de thermostaat het te koud en schakeld hij uit.
Maar dit kan niet want als je hem rechtstreeks aansluit ( de pomp) schakeld hij ook uit?
Dus waarschijnlijk vriest hij in?
Dit omdat je fans niet aanslaan?
Blijft de pomp wel ingeschakeld als je um rechtstreeks aansluit?
Of schakeld die ook uit ?
De boer is troef
Après cette énième cx
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126190970@N08/
http://www.citroen-forum.nl/forums/viewthread/223616/
Restauratie Prestige laagdaks, er is weer vooruitgang.






















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- CX 25 GTi Turbo 2 KdFi
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ergens lees ik dat er een separate kabelboom is voor de airco, met aanduiding “CL”....
nu die vinden !
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F.SvM schreef:Misschien vind de thermostaat het te koud en schakeld hij uit.
Maar dit kan niet want als je hem rechtstreeks aansluit ( de pomp) schakeld hij ook uit?
Dus waarschijnlijk vriest hij in?
Dit omdat je fans niet aanslaan?
Blijft de pomp wel ingeschakeld als je um rechtstreeks aansluit?
Of schakeld die ook uit ?
De pomp stopt inderdaad ook na een minuut of zo, nadat ik hem met een 12V pulsje gestart heb.






















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ik heb een duitse pdf, staat bij een stukje electrisch wel de CL aanduiding.
lastig te lezen in een pdf met blz kwart slag gedraaid.
de CL aanduiding zit niet vermeld in Haynes of RTA.
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ik heb niet heel veel verstand van aircos, maar wat ik wel weet:
pressure switch is drukschakelaar.
dat zal te maken hebben met de druk in het systeem denk ik.
met andere woorden als de druk te ver oploopt schakelt de pomp uit lijkt mij.
kan dat te maken hebben met een verstopt filter of een verkeerd koude middel?
juist omdat het probleem zich na het vullen voordoet.
CX limousine, TRD I, TRD II, Tatra 603, skoda 110, mercedes 240 TD, mercedes 406, mercedes 206, xantia 16v
De presureswitch is inderdaad voor de druk in het systeem, maar niet om de pomp uit te schakelen als de druk oploopt.
Hij doet juist het omgekeerde als er te weinig druk in het systeem zit schakelt de pomp niet in, omdat het koudemiddel ook voor de smering zorgt wordt zo verdere schade aan de pomp voorkomen bij onvoldoende koudemiddel.
Dus als er te weinig of geen koudemidddel aanwezig is in het systeem (lek) kan de aircopomp niet inschakelen ook al staat de schakelaar in de auto aan, de pomp kan dan alleen nog ingeschakeld worden zoals de TS gedaan heeft rechtreeks voeding naar de magneetschakelaar van de pomp.
Vraag me toch af of het niet gewoon een probleem is van geen\ te weinig koudemiddel, omdat er even koude lucht komt als de pomp rechtsteeks vanaf accu ingeschakeld is.
Welk type koudemiddel is gebruikt bij oudere wagens hoort het type R12 of een vervanger tegenwoordig is R134a meestal gebruikt maar dit kan niet in oudere systemen.
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ZX Aura 1.6i 8v 1991.
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Ik zou eerst even bij relais 47 kijken “Heating ond air- cond. relay”
Als deze niet werkt dan zal het volledige airco systeem niet werken. De spoel wordt geschakeld door het contact.
In de repair manual staat het volledige schema van de airco in de wiring diagram.
De locatie van het relais zou ergens op het linker voorscherm moeten zijn.